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the party that went big in the house of representatives, which really is an incredibly representative body and responsive to the voters every two years. i want action, i want deals struck starting with the questions about taxes and defense spending, at the heart of the issue right now. nothing succeeds like success. if they can cut a deal, this could be the start of something big. that's "hardball" for you no. thanks for being with us. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. thanks, chris. thank to you for tuning in. tonight's lead. the end of an era. one way to view president obama's big win tuesday night is as a big win for him and the democratic party. but along with that big win for the democrats, tuesday was also a big loss for republicans and for ideas they had been pushing. it's the ronald reagan
philosophy. low taxes are the solution to everything. and government is always the problem. >> in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. republicans have pummeled that bush on you tuesday, americans by the millions rejected those ideas. on taxes, 60% of voters said they should be increased. clearly the president is wins that argument in the eyes of the country, but not just taxes. voighters said enough of
squabbling over the definition of rape. they represented strong female representatives. >> despite the odds, you elected the first woman senator to the state of massachusetts. >> i am well aware that i will have the honor to be wisconsin's first woman u.s. senator. there is no way that clair mccaskill can survive. you know what happened? you proved them wrong. on tuesday americans decided to send a record number of women. 20 women to the senate. and it didn't end there. we stood up for marriage equality after 32 straight defeats at the ballot box, it won in maine, won in maryland, won in washington, in state after state, americans stood up for liberal values.
in minnesota it came in to rejection of voter i.d. amendment. we are a more inclusive society than the republican party understood. as president obama eloquently said -- >> if you're willing to work hard, it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from or what you look like or where you love, it doesn't matter whether you're black or white or hispanic or asian or native-american or young or old or rich or poor, abled, disabled, base or straight, you can make it here in america if you're willing to try. it's that vibrant coalition that elected president obama. african-americans, latinos, women, all supporting him, and pushed for a sea of change at the state level, too. republicans won the governor's race in north carolina, but lost
in montana, washington, new hampshire, vermont, west virginia, delaware and missouri. and remember the overreach of the tea party in the states where many -- so many anti-women, anti-voting laws first began? well, voters shut that down too. california and illinois now have democratic super-majorities in both chambers. democrats flipped both chambers in maine. republicans lost their super majorities in arizona, and democrats claimed new majorities and statehouses in colorado, minnesota and new hampshire. americans stood up for progress, and that's what elections are all about. >> that's why we do this. that's what politics can be. that's why elections matter. it's not small, it's big.
>> this election was big. it signaled that the reagan view of government and politics is fading into the past. we are more diverse, hopeful nation, and viewers voted that way on tuesday. joining me now is richard wolffe, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com, and alicia menendez, host and producer of huff post live. thank you both for being here. >> let any go to you, do you agree that republicans' loss tuesday went way beyond? >> yes, they lost on the positioning, the branding of the party f and, you know, you can look at it state by state, look at it issue by issue, but the biggest to me, just if you look at the national piece of t. the biggest failure was their entire
view of president obama? they said he was incompetent. they said he was a fluke. they said he was some kind of aberration, and he was a disaster who would surely fate, because all the data and get they had said he would fail. president obama told me when he was a candidate in 2008, he really had the aspiration to be like reagan, knolls in terms of the politics, but change the landscape or at least be part of a changing landscape of american politics. this election has shown he was right in that judgment. whether it's his leadership or he's riding the wave of something that's moving through this country, the republican view of him and what he represents was completely wrong. >> alisha, let me stay there a minute. i remember in talking to then candidate obama, him saying it publicly, he wanted to be a transform tiff president and
transfo it was not just the president that won, but initiatives won on balance that were openly very progressive and liberal. voter i.d. laws defeated in at least one state, marriage equality, i mean, we saw a transform attive election, a mandate that republicans weren't prepared for. >> a transforming nation and presidency. i think the two things happening at the same time are not coincident coincidental. i think the democrats can learn from it is when they run on their policies, they win. you take something like obama-care, for the longest time they weren't calling it that name, at the pejorative, but florida state where repealing obama care is actually on the ballot. you have bill nelson touting his support of obama-care and
winning, so the lesson for democrats needs to be a lot of these policies, they can't run away from, they need to lean into them. >> and if they lean into, they will get the voters lining up. >> how many years have we heard republicans say, if we run promising to cut taxes, and democrats promise to raise taxes? we're going to win. this election turns it on its head. just in terms of electoral politics and strategy, democrats can say we should -- in fact, we've got majority support for it. that changes politics in this country. that changes how election -- it's not a promise to raise taxes. it's taxes an an investment, tax toss deal with big issues like the deficit in a fairway, but you know, that just -- the conventional wisdom for the last 30 years, at least since reagan is that democrats cannot do this thing. >> now, when you look at the republicans and they have a
tough time viewing this as a man dade, at least t. the republican party has lost the popular vote in the last five of six elections, and it hasn't won as many electoral votes as president obama did in 24 years. i mean, this is amazing, since reagan, we have not seen this electoral vote yet. >> we have not seen numbers like that, yet i am not sure they're totally getting the memo. i have speaker boehner talking about the fact that as they approach january, they're not going to vote for anything that puts additional tax revenue on the table. if you are in fact right, which i believe you were, that could be the number one takeaway beyond demographics. then you look at the tea party element, you know, only 4 of the 16 candidates endorsed by the tea party expressed one in this election. so they should be able to marginalize that element, not simply cave to it at every turn.
>> but is it at 134 level, richard they delusional politics, i think it was bush in '88, not reagan. but isn't it delusional when they say, no we're not going to raise taxes when in fact if the tax cuts -- the bush tax cuts expire, it's the same thing? i mean, is somebody going to send them a memo that you don't have the same climate you had last year, because all the president has to do is let the bush tax cuts expire. >> there are three cards on the table, two of them republicans cannot stand -- letting all the tax cuts expire, and these steep, steep cuts to defense. the third one is in their hands. that's raising the national debt ceiling. that means for republicans, to get everything they want, if they really think they have the mandate, to push the country to
the brink. it didn't work great for them last time, and that i approval ratings hit rock bottom. the markets tanked. you know, they got all the business ceos saying you've got to do something about this, so maybe they're prepared to say we don't care about the people who pay our fund-raising checks anymore. they could do this, but -- >> they have a lot of explaining. i don't know if they want to increase it, but in the middle of all of this, alicia, we're seeing for the first time, since tuesday, some republicans are beginning to come out and deal with the extremists in their party. watch this. >> we had republican candidates who got very high profile and said some very stupid things. i think that really tainted the party -- >> is tea party america's next best hope? >> listen to me. there's a one-word phrase we use for that in ohio -- crap.
that's nonsense. the republican party cannot be a national party if we give up the entire east coast of the united states. >> and the last guy was a republican, now talking about the crap. i don't know where their courage was before tuesday, but slowly you're beginning to see lower-profile figures, but people elected, people in washington members of congress that are beginning to come out openly and question these extremes. >> i still worry they're missing the point. it's not just that they say stupid things, it's that they have policies that don't work. so it's not simply talking about women in a pejorative way. it's the fact that their policies simply don't line up with the needs of women in this country and self-deportation, that line got a lot of play, but it's whether republicans are willing to come to the table on comprehensive reform. i hope that republicans are learning their lesson. i'm not question convinced they are.
>> she's like a hard-nosed preacher. she doesn't want you to stop getting caught, she wants you to stop sinning. thank you both for your time. >> thanks, reverend. coming up, we now know what was going on right before karl rove's on-air election night meltdown. it raises serious questions about his role at fox news. you'll want to hear this. and what was mitt romney planning if he won? we've got the story tonight, and what he's doing now, that he's lost the campaign. we'll tell you about that, too. plus florida's fiasco, two days later, and they're still counting ballots. wait until you hear what governor rick scott is saying now. my open letter to him tonight. you're watching "politics nation" on the place for politics, msnbc.
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election. >> do you believe that ohio has been settled? >> no, i don't. this went from being -- when we started this conversation three or four minutes 1,995-vote margin to just now 991. >> so you're not saying that obama isn't going to win -- >> no, i think this is premature. we have a quarter of the vote. i don't know what the outcome will be, but we've got to be careful about calling things when we have like 991 votes separating the two candidates and a quarter of the vote yet to count. >> there you see what denial looks like in real time. today we're learning more about what led up to it. "new york times" reports the moment fox made the call that obama had won ohio, quote, karl rove stood just off camera, his phone glued to his ear. on the other end was a senior romney campaign official who insisted that the network had
blown the call. folks, let's get this straight. he's standing on the set with his mike still on, and he's talking to someone in the romney camp who's telling him what to say on the air? the tantrum led to this awkward moment, an unseemly interrogation of the fellow who calls the numbers. >> they're way down the hall. we'll do a little interrogation and see if they stand by the call, notwithstanding the doubts that karl rove attempted to place. this is the decision desk. we're in the heart of the decision desk room. you tell me whether you stand by your call. >> we're quite comfortable with the call in ohio. basically right now there's too much obama vote that's outstanding there that we know is going to come in that will be obama. >> yeah, sorry, rove. it is going to be obama, but it's no wonder rove was taking
the loss so hard. here's two super pacs spending $300 million. and chuck on the the run return on the investment. one had a 1% success rate. the other a 13% rate of success. and now rove has to answer to his billionaire buddies who fronted him the money. politico reports that rove held a phone call today for the big donors to sum up the race and to explain what happened to donors who complained. obviously somebody made a mistake and didn't do things right. there's no question about that. so will they believe karl rove's excuse sinus is this the end of the king maker? joining me is wayne slater, senior political reporter for "the dallas morning news" and author of two books about rove, "the architect" and "bush's brain." thanks for being here tonight.
>> great to be with you. >> you've covered karl rover maybe more than anyone. what was going on? >> remarkable. you had the word exactly right. it was denight. much of what i've seen karl, when he's been in action is as an analyst, where he looks at the numbers. he's a supreme aris ontilian nerd. what we saw that night was someone in absolute denial. he was effectively looking at the situation and not accepting the reality of the moment. it was as if he, like so many people have been watching conservative media, fox news, rush limbaugh, peggy newman, you look at other people who have said it would be romney in a landslide, they had an alternative reality that they were watching. i think karl may have bought into that. and at the moment when it was clear that it was all falling
apart, and that he had taken millions of dollars from several billionaires, he was in denial. >> the last part of what you said, he had taken millions from several billionaires, do you think that helped encourage hi denial when he realized all this money he had raised and they were losing it all? >> absolutely. he has been cultivating some of these people for 15 or 20 years, some of whom are involved as biggest funders of the cross roads pacs. the dark money, those people that have given him money have been given him money for a long time. a homebuilder named bob perry, a dallas financier, boone pickens, these were the funders of the swiftboat veterans against john kerry. they've been with him a long time. he clearly promised them something in the 2012 race you,
and he had not delivered. >> he doesn't issue a mea culpa, but gives an unbelievable excuse. he writing -- i'm quoting him now -- mr. obama was ruthlessly efficient in executing an early negative campaign. the president was also lucky. this time the october surprise was not a dirty trick but an act of got. hurricane sandy interrupted mr. romney's momentum and allowed mr. obama to look presidential and bipartisan. so let me get this right. the -- mr. romney was soundly beaten both in the popular vote and the electoral college and the swing states that mattered the most? and it was all because of hurricane sandy?
>> yeah, i think a less charitable person might be saying "and the dog ate my homework." in the 1980s, karl rove, a young political operative working in a democratic environment put together a memo. he explained how he was going to make the democrat ectexas political establishment a republican electoral gold mine, which he succeeded. in that memo, he wrote the words, when things are going badly, attack, attack, attack. that has always his motif. in this case, things went very, very badly, involving many very wealthy, very influential people, and his reaction is just attack the other guy. >> let me ask you this quickly. you've written two books, you know it very well d this tarnish the brand of karl rove? is this the beginning of the end of karl rover? >> it is not in my estimation
the end of karl rove. remember in 2004 he was the hero, the architect who lifted george bush for reelection in difficult situation, but by 2006 he was the goat when the democrats came back. he's been in this position before when people say he's finished. anyone who thinks that karl rove is finished, his days are on the floor, he is a has been, are people, whether republican enemies or democratic opponents, are wishing for something that not likely is going to happen. they are wishing for something at their own peril. >> he may be around for a while. i personally wish him the same success that he had on tuesday night. wayne slater, thanks for your time this evening. >> great to be with you. coming up, the gop is still reeling from the big loss, and rush limbaugh is fanning the flames today. plus florida's voting fiasco
sgloop soon to go through all the issues that might have come up during the elections. issue that is might have come up during the election? you were behind those issues. voting this year in florida was chaos. one county election board shut its doors in voters' faces, but rick scott seems to have missed all that. >> i think the great thing that happened is people got out to vote. that's what we wanted. >> yes, governor scott, people got out and voted, but no thanks to you. for the past year scott has done a lot to suppress the vote. limits voter registration,
slashing early voting days from 14 days to 8. today reporters tried to get answers from the governor. >> reporter: it's been over 24 hours since the election. why can all the other states get it done in a timely fashion? >> reporter: do you regret not extending early voting? people are upset. >> people are upset, governor. what do you have to say about the voting mess? >> well, we did the right thing, what we are doing is the right thing. the right thing happened. we did the right thing? >> we did the right thing? the right thing happened? are you talking about this election, governor? two days and counting literally miami-dade co-workers still have not certified the november election. >> governor, you are the person in charge. you're cutting back earl yes voting caused the mess of long
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today president obama was back at work in the white house, but of course mitt romney? it's a very different story. he was last seen wednesday night leaves hi campaign headquarters in the rain. he was in the backseat of his son's care with his wife ann in the front. an advisers tells cbs news that romney was, quote, shell-shocked when he realized he lost. "the boston globe" said the campaign had planned a big fireworks show to celebrate the victo victory. for a few moments, it was actually online and really to
go. and it includes plans for the inauguration. and it says he's working on a smooth transfer of power. but now mid romney is a private citiz citizen. he doesn't have secret service protection. the campaign aides say the credit cards have been cut off and supporters say he's likely to move to his home in california. i think he just fades, says one top donor. i think we have seen for the most part the last of mitt romney. but for the party he's leaving behind, the debate is just beginning. does the gop adapt, or does it fade into relevance? is this the party of lincoln or the party of rush limbaugh. joining me is megan mccain, columnist for "the daily beast and msnbc contributor. on election night she tweeted,
quote, my party has to evolve or it's gooding to die. hogan go aheadly, he's worked for both rick santorum and mike huckabee. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you, reverend. >> what ails the party, in your opinion? >> i think we haven't reached out, and i think gale marriage is trending, and for whatever reason, this obsession with social issue says killing us. it was a difficult night, and one of the most popular things i've ever tweeted, and i think this is a harsh reality that we're facing right now. but i'm not shocked or surprised. i knew this when my father lost. i've been ostracized from my party, that i've discussed this with you before.
if you're not going to start accepting people like me, this party is going to die. now, hogan, let me first start with the same question. what in your opinion is ailing your party? >> i think really one of the stats from election night shocked me. it was george h.w. bush won 60% of the white vote in 1988. me got over 400 electoral votes. mitt romney did the same thing. he got crushed. i think there are three reasons this thing went so badly. one is because we have some type of -- we have decided either to ignore or to not try and court the changing faces in the electorate in this country. i think that's a huge problem, but also we have an antiquated method of getting out the vote. mccain did an okay job in '08. obviously he was outdone by barack obama, but other methods have just gone up to the '08 standards, and obama was growing
his base, courting voters, something we haven't done. third is the candidate. he's going to take some blame, and he should. it was a tough race for us to win, i don't know that this was the best candidate to put forward to try to court a lot of the new voters in this country that we have so egregious loy ignored the last couple years. >> hogan, you worked with mike huckabee, and mike huckabee and i don't great on much, but he's proven to get, so it's not even just whether one is conservative or not, but about reaching out, relating and dealing. because i wouldn't in the middle of the night call him a progressive, but he got double-digit black votes in arkansas. >> right, double digits. he got 50% of the black votes -- >> i was trying note to tell everybody that, but go ahead.
>> he said, look, i've never caught a fish sitting on my couch talking about fishing. you have to get out and talked to the people. >> and one of the problems we have i think in the party obviously on display now, we have so few good messengers that can deliver the message of conservative. can iflgts and he's right. what conservatism means has been diluted. we lost the single-woman vote. i mean, you're not telling me that all this discussion about if rape is really rape orb not that happened in the last 6 to 9 months didn't affect that? it did. i don't know why we're doing this, but it has -- i'm sorry. >> how are you going to make -- you mentioned generational. how will you and hogan,
glue we're all going to have to face reality, they pundits who are talking like -- i like bill o'reilly a lot, but i think they're way off the mark. people seem to be angrier than facing the cold, hard reality. >> hogan? >> well, i'll use another huckabee iism. he said i'm a conservative, just not angry at everybody about it. if you watch his show, you can see that. we need somebody who can go to all types of people and talk when the issues we love and we believe in as conservatives, but not turn them off. confide frankly, we have to quit cannibalizing our own, and if you're not conservative, you're out of. we probably don't disagree, but the tent needs to be broader, it needs to be wider and welcome more people and try to attract
those people. >> there's some issues that there's common ground even with progressives and conservatives. i've worked with education with newt gingrich. we don't great with anything, we don't agree on the westerly, but we dealt with that. your father, meghan, in '04 bush got 40% of the latino vote, your father 31% of the latino, down to 27%. mean just -- i don't understand why this hostility and this denial of the changing demographics of this country. >> all you have to say is i grew up in politician. my dad ran for the first time when i was 14 years old. i groo you to love politics, hearing him talking about reaching across the aisle. if at this point as republicans we're not going to learn to compromise and meet in the middle, we're hurting america. i'm sick of this morization.
i feel like i've been doing this the past five years. if this hasn't been the hard cold dose of reality, this party is going to die, and i assume the libertarian party will rise up instead. we're gig to face reality or we're going to die. >> i am a conservative. i'm trying to conserve of civil rights act, voting rights away -- i'm really a conservative. >> of course you are. >> thank you for your time tonight. thank you both. we're learn about dinners meetings that the president had with historians. one of them joins me tonight to talk about what the president wants his legacy to be. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do.
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. as president obama looks ahead to his second term, he'll be planning for the future by absorbing the lessons of the past. "new york times" says he held three dinner meetings with historians during the first term, to talk about where past presidents succeeded and fails. the times said becoming the 44th president of the united states or even the first african-american president to hold the post had never been enough for barack obama.
he spoke unabashedly of becoming one of the greatest presidents, a transformative figure. but he's not even halfway done and has big plans for a second term. joining me is douglas brinkley, one of the historians who attended one of those dinner. he's a professor at rice university. >> thanks for joining me. >> thanks for having me on. >> those sound like remarkable dinners. what do you think the president was looking to learn with scholars like you? >> it's a great honor just to be at those dinners and being with mea colleagues. it's really like a book club. he's almost encyclopedic on past presidents. abe ray ham lincoln is his touch
did not stone and doris kerns' team had influenced him a lot. >> because linking had some of husband own adversary sears. >> and gates, a republican, he kept as defense. maybe chuck hagel will come in as defense. theodore roosevelt came up a lot. and t.r. is for president obama very important, because theodore roosevelt stood up for universal health care. he was able to go after corruption in wall street and, you know, become a trust buster. you see the power that an executive has. just a few weeks ago in california he saved cesar chavez' home. executive order did that. a lot of latino newspapers celebrated it quite a bit. there are many things you can learn from past presidents, how to use executive power.
what was his demeanor like? what was the kinds of things he was questioning you all about? >> you're listening to having somebody like bob karo there, you get to recognize for all the great society accomplishments that linden had. he also had about 67 senators to rubber-stamp a lot of legislation. this president had to grapple with obama care, affordable care act around 60. ronald reagan interested him a lot, particularly that reagan could do business with people like tip o'neil, ted kennedy, and he felt with mitch mcdonnell there was nobody to do business with, perhaps now with boehner you'll see him -- boehner taking a historic role with his -- the fiscal problem we have. maybe they'll be able to work together, better in a second term. >> was his interests more on the personal characters and personal
trades of the preceding presidents and their weaknesses and strengths? or was it more on policies and how they dealt with the crisis at their time? >> i think more on the crisis in policy. these are very relaxed dinners action it's said, like i said, as a book club. he was very gracious, just going around and letting people talk about what they're working on, and ask different questions, realizing he can't repeat the past, that things are different, but what can you learn from them? you realize that someone like franklin roosevelt is endlessly talking about. can we have a conservation corps now? is that doable? there's a lot of things -- he's looking at history, you know, to may be a bit of a guide here in the second term. >> now, some of the key items on the president's agenda, deficit
reduction action tax reform, immigration, climate change, alternative energy. do you have any sense of where you think he may go? >> climb never even got brought up in the presidential debates, but it means a great to president obama. i think we might be seeing john kerry become the secretary of state. kerry has spent his senate career pushing the climate issue, in the sense of a global cooperation on climate. it's something that when you're trying to win swing voters that didn't play well, but with hurricane sandy and new jersey still hurt like it is now, i think the second term will deal with it in a way they didn't in the first. >> thank you, douglas brinkley. thank you for your time. thank you. the election is over, and somebody romney staffers are saying has me very hopeful for the future. that's next. eat good fats.
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these staff evers worked for months for a cause they believed in. we are the united states of america, as a nation, now is the time to think bad, but we must jeb run and gracious. we have core beliefs and must defend them, but we must also be willing to give ground and make progress. and we must stand by what we believe, but not with rancor and acrimony we should not be the film side of some of what we complained about from the tea party. i learned long ago that gandhi was right. we must become the change we speak.